Title: Change position within node/level Last modified: April 10, 2021 --- # Change position within node/level * Resolved [Radovan Smitala](https://wordpress.org/support/users/adorei/) * (@adorei) * [5 years, 1 month ago](https://wordpress.org/support/topic/change-position-within-node-level/) * Hi, * I really like this plugin, because it allows in an unobtrusive way to sort pages. * What surprises me is, that when I change the position of one page on a specific level, it changes the position for all pages. * Is there any option for how to lock moving positions between pages on a specific level? * Lets imagine I have: * – Page 1 — Page 1.1 — Page 1.2 — Page 1.2.1 — Page 1.2.2 — Page 1.3 – Page 2– Page 3 – Page 4 * So when I want to change position for Page 1.1 (level 2) as the last item I am changing menu_order only for all children of Level 2. Locking should work like it doesn’t allow me to move page out from node/ scope. * From my point of view. menu_order is always unique based on nested level. So it is a combination of post_parent and menu_order. * Just example, when I want to get children for Page 1.2, then menu_order for first child is 4, not 1 or 0 as default. * Eg: For hundreds of pages, I have menu_order as is the default for WordPress, but I want to change menu_order for one small node, and voila, I got recalculating for all hundreds of pages. * It is similar behavior as moving items position for the menu. Viewing 7 replies - 1 through 7 (of 7 total) * Plugin Author [Matthias Günter](https://wordpress.org/support/users/mguenter/) * (@mguenter) * [5 years ago](https://wordpress.org/support/topic/change-position-within-node-level/#post-14424390) * Hey [@adorei](https://wordpress.org/support/users/adorei/) ! * Thanks for your message, and apologies for the delayed response. * > From my point of view. menu_order is always unique based on nested level. So > it is a combination of post_parent and menu_order. * Unfortunately, this is not correct. WordPress uses a flat `menu_order` here, that means if you change the `menu_order` for a page which is outside the scope( e.g. after `Page 3`) but is still a child of `Page 1`, it is simply moved after` Page 1.3`. You could test this with the `Order` input in **Quick Edit**. * But I understand your issue. It should be normally work this way: When I drag& drop after e.g. `Page 3`, it should automatically change the `post_parent` to nothing, so it gets moved outside. Is this correct? * Regards, Matthew 🙂 * Thread Starter [Radovan Smitala](https://wordpress.org/support/users/adorei/) * (@adorei) * [5 years ago](https://wordpress.org/support/topic/change-position-within-node-level/#post-14481536) * Hi [@mguenter](https://wordpress.org/support/users/mguenter/)! * I tried to find where is the documentation page for behavior that you explain. I didn’t find any. Can you help me? Cause I think this is very variable. * Second part of your comment is correct. Maybe parent should not be changed when I am changing position within scope. * Regards, Radovan * Plugin Author [Matthias Günter](https://wordpress.org/support/users/mguenter/) * (@mguenter) * [4 years, 12 months ago](https://wordpress.org/support/topic/change-position-within-node-level/#post-14505928) * Hi [@adorei](https://wordpress.org/support/users/adorei/) ! * > From my point of view. menu_order is always unique based on nested level. So > it is a combination of post_parent and menu_order. * In my previous answer I did misunderstand you, and here of course you are right. * > I tried to find where is the documentation page for behavior that you explain. * Unfortunately I cannot find a documentation for this, but I had a look at the` Quick Edit` options coming with WordPress core itself. Navigate to your post ` Page 1.1` and change the `Order`, the order will be only within this post parent( scope). * > Second part of your comment is correct. Maybe parent should not be changed > when I am changing position within scope. * Yeah, I know what you mean. This is because `menu_order` is simply used as the position for the current scope (`post_parent`). We do not currently change the` post_parent` if you move a post via drag & drop, we simply update the `menu_order`. In other terms, we need to introduce a new drag & drop experience to also move the posts horizontally, not only vertical. Do you know what I mean? * Thread Starter [Radovan Smitala](https://wordpress.org/support/users/adorei/) * (@adorei) * [4 years, 11 months ago](https://wordpress.org/support/topic/change-position-within-node-level/#post-14524988) * Hi Matthias! * Yes, maybe I was too vague and my point was unclear about menu_order. Sorry for that 🙂 * It looks like it is as you are saying with QuickEdit post_parent is always set, so menu_order is within that node scope. * > Yeah, I know what you mean. This is because menu_order is simply used as the > position for the current scope (post_parent). We do not currently change the > post_parent if you move a post via drag & drop, we simply update the menu_order. > In other terms, we need to introduce a new drag & drop experience to also move > the posts horizontally, not only vertical. Do you know what I mean? * Maybe I understand. By XHR request I see that you are sending only sequence collection of IDs and based on that collection and position within collection is menu_order updated for every post id. * As my first part of comment: I think menu_order should be ordered only within node scope and must not be able to move-out of scope. To increase UX. * Is a somewhere public repository for this plugin? Just to check and maybe open PR 🙂 * Plugin Author [Matthias Günter](https://wordpress.org/support/users/mguenter/) * (@mguenter) * [4 years, 10 months ago](https://wordpress.org/support/topic/change-position-within-node-level/#post-14667509) * Hi again! * Thanks for your reply, and apologies for the delayed response. * Unfortunately we cannot provide this feature at the moment due to missing capacity. * > Is a somewhere public repository for this plugin? Just to check and maybe open > PR * At the moment, we cannot provide a public repository as all our plugins (including the PRO) are within a monorepository. But you could check out `trunk` of the wp.org repository: [https://plugins.svn.wordpress.org/real-custom-post-order/](https://plugins.svn.wordpress.org/real-custom-post-order/) * What do you think? * Regards, Matthew 😊 * Plugin Author [Matthias Günter](https://wordpress.org/support/users/mguenter/) * (@mguenter) * [4 years, 10 months ago](https://wordpress.org/support/topic/change-position-within-node-level/#post-14708636) * Due to inactivity this thread gets closed. Please feel free to reopen! 😊 * Thread Starter [Radovan Smitala](https://wordpress.org/support/users/adorei/) * (@adorei) * [4 years, 7 months ago](https://wordpress.org/support/topic/change-position-within-node-level/#post-15011647) * Hi [@mguenter](https://wordpress.org/support/users/mguenter/) * sadly without access to original code I am not able to “change” or create pull- request for such kind of feature. * So maybe in the future somehow 🙂 * R. 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