Title: Ingoring/Overriding Manual Sort Order
Last modified: July 10, 2025

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# Ingoring/Overriding Manual Sort Order

 *  Resolved [keto4vegans](https://wordpress.org/support/users/keto4vegans/)
 * (@keto4vegans)
 * [9 months, 2 weeks ago](https://wordpress.org/support/topic/ingoring-overriding-manual-sort-order/)
 * When I activated Relevassi, it reordered my manually ordered taxonomies in most
   places – search results, and most of my widgets on various pages. On the page
   I have linked, the green icons on the pictures are in the wrong order and the
   categories below these (Main, Sides, etc.) are also in the wrong order. You can
   also see if you scroll through, that they are not even consistently in the same
   wrong order. The order varies. When I deactivate Relevassi, they go back to their
   correct order. What’s going on here and can this be prevented/fixed? Your product
   did exactly what I wanted and I would really like to use it, but can’t if the
   order of icons and categories are random. Thank you.
 * The page I need help with: _[[log in](https://login.wordpress.org/?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwordpress.org%2Fsupport%2Ftopic%2Fingoring-overriding-manual-sort-order%2F%3Foutput_format%3Dmd&locale=en_US)
   to see the link]_

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 *  Plugin Author [Mikko Saari](https://wordpress.org/support/users/msaari/)
 * (@msaari)
 * [9 months, 2 weeks ago](https://wordpress.org/support/topic/ingoring-overriding-manual-sort-order/#post-18550266)
 * Do you mean the nutritional information under the post title? How are those elements
   printed on the page, and how have you manually ordered them, exactly?
 * Please explain the mechanism here in more detail. Right now, I have no idea how
   it’s even possible Relevanssi could affect anything like this. Is there any searching
   or post querying involved?
 * Relevanssi hooks to `posts_pre_query` and `posts_request`, but I don’t know how
   a taxonomy list would be passed through these post filters.
 *  Thread Starter [keto4vegans](https://wordpress.org/support/users/keto4vegans/)
 * (@keto4vegans)
 * [9 months, 2 weeks ago](https://wordpress.org/support/topic/ingoring-overriding-manual-sort-order/#post-18550408)
 * Thank you for the reply. The plugin I am using for manual ordering is called 
   Simple Custom Post Order. According to ChatGPT:
 * 🚩 **What can interfere with it:**
 * ✅ 1️⃣ **Plugins or Themes Ignoring `menu_order`:**
    - Many themes, Elementor widgets, or plugins:
       * Use queries with `orderby => 'date'` or `orderby => 'title'`.
       * Omit `orderby` entirely, causing WordPress to fall back to `date` or `ID`.
    - This **bypasses your manual order entirely**.
 * ✅ 3️⃣ **Plugins Modifying `pre_get_posts` or `WP_Query`:**
    - Search plugins (e.g., Relevanssi).
    - SEO plugins (Yoast, Rank Math) altering queries.
    - Custom functions in your `functions.php` affecting queries globally.
 * These can override `orderby` or add filters changing query behavior.
 * **Here are some screenshots to better explain:**
 * ![](https://i0.wp.com/keto4vegans.wpcomstaging.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/07/
   Relevanssi-SCPO-conflict.png?ssl=1)
 * I’m hoping there is a solution that allows me to use both of these plugins as
   they are both quite valuable to the appearance and functionality of my site.
 * Thank you for your help. I appreciate it.
 * Heather
 *  Plugin Author [Mikko Saari](https://wordpress.org/support/users/msaari/)
 * (@msaari)
 * [9 months, 2 weeks ago](https://wordpress.org/support/topic/ingoring-overriding-manual-sort-order/#post-18550443)
 * I’m very familiar with these post order plugins interfering with search results,
   but I’ve never heard of a case where it’s the other way around. Relevanssi uses
   the `orderby` parameter it gets to sort posts (and that’s why Simple Custom Post
   Order causes problems with Relevanssi, as it sets the `orderby`), but Relevanssi
   never sets the value itself.
 * Do you perhaps have a custom function that fixes the `orderby` parameter so that
   Relevanssi works correctly with Simple Custom Post Order? Such function, if not
   done correctly, can change the `orderby` parameter for SCPO too where it shouldn’t.
   Especially if ChatGPT is involved, that would not be surprising.
 *  Thread Starter [keto4vegans](https://wordpress.org/support/users/keto4vegans/)
 * (@keto4vegans)
 * [9 months, 2 weeks ago](https://wordpress.org/support/topic/ingoring-overriding-manual-sort-order/#post-18550524)
 * Problem solved. Thank you!
 * When I first activated Relevanssi and saw the order of my icons had changed, 
   I added a php snippet in an attempt to fix it, but it didn’t have any effect.
   I’m not sure why there would have been an initial unordering when I added Relevanssi.
   I might have had another php snippet still active when I first saw the reordering,
   but that one didn’t contain the orderby parameter. I deactivated it soon after
   activating Relevanssi. Anyhow, I have now deactivated the snippet with the orderby
   parameter and the order has returned to my manually set order. I also reactivated
   the snippet to see if the problem returned, and it didn’t. Anyhow, the problem
   is solved. Great plugin. I’ll be sure to leave a review.

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 * Last reply from: [keto4vegans](https://wordpress.org/support/users/keto4vegans/)
 * Last activity: [9 months, 2 weeks ago](https://wordpress.org/support/topic/ingoring-overriding-manual-sort-order/#post-18550524)
 * Status: resolved