Bigg1es
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Hi, thanks for the tips.
I have just seen how to edit the alt descriptions in the nextgen settings. The default was the image title which although it had keywords they were spaced with underscores _ . I have swapped that on a few test images for a full description. they are pictures of individual buildings and as aerial photos of these are rare , if it works they should show up on google.
The bad news is the other similar gallery I tried had as a default that the alt tags were taken from the iptc description field and despite a lovley full description on mouse over, those images too are not showing in google.
Now I realise I can add all sorts of things tailored to each individual image but I was trying to find a gallery that takes all the info from the iptc title and description so that I do not have to make individual edits on gallery software. Im dealing with large volumes of images, currently 80,000 and by having everything taken from within the image it will facilitate future upgrades / changes in software / disaster recovery etc .
I can see that sitemaps are key to this problem. I have just the basic site map covering my nextgen content and non at all for my main html and php website. My normal website is heavilly interlinked and does not really need a sitemap, bots crawl all over it frequently. To speed up the nextgen crawl, I had already added some links to my most popular plain html web pages so google should have crawled it by now, probably many times over. I started my nextgen gallery nearly 2 months ago. Normally google loves my work and when I am working on my normal php gallery, images start to show in a few days, certainly within a couple of weeks, and thats without any special attempt to link them to key pages.
I have been further experimenting but have still not got any of my images in google.
Immediatly after the above post, 2 weeks ago, I added Word Press to my english language website. I installed an alternative popular gallery and the results are … the same, no images are indexed in google, not even when you search for a very specific phrase which is the image description and probably the only image with that description on the net.
Some more clues. I have an seo plugin on my German website where nextgen is installed. It says SEO is very bad with the following problems:-
The text contains only one word
no description is given
The focus keyword doesn’t appear in the first paragraph of the copy. Make sure the topic is clear immediately
The site contains no alt attributes
There are a load more but its already clear whats happening. This SEO plugin is not reading the image descriptions, nor is it navigating through the nextgen gallery structure ( Main gallery > Sub gallery>sub gallery>image). If thats whats happening with the seo plugin , then that is probably what is happeing with google.
My website is not a traditional blog, its a pure photo gallery so the only important text is the image description text. I have a few non wordpress php galleries where the image description is taken from the meta data and is used as the visible description of the image on the web page. The difference is this appears to be readable by search engines whereas with nextgen search engines are not reading image descriptions?
Any suggestions?
Currently I only see two options, either write an image description by hand for every image as some sort of blog post or site map, or B give up and look for a different type of gallery.
I’m very curious as to why there is a difference in search engine behaviour in nextgen vs a typical php gallery. Are the full sized image pages generated in java? I note they have no individual page URL and no alt text with mouse over.
Talking of mouse over, I discovered another interesting clue.
On my top level gallery and the sub gallery, there is nothing shown when you hover over an image. However if you go to the lowest level ( Top Gallery>sub-gallery>gallery with pics) where the actual individual images are , then here mouse over shows the image file name. Now googling for one of these very specific file names ( luftbild_weimar_jc31739 ) brought up a link to nextgen gallery. Clearly google has read the mouse over but not really understood it.
For now I am going to chenge my gellery names to something more descriptive rather than one word town / region names.
Is there any way of altering or changing the mouse over alt text? Ideally I would like it to show a gallery description for high level galleries and the full image description for individual images.
The results of my experiment are in.
I added a copy of one of the images to my main HTML web page. This image was linked from the directory where my next gen gallery images are stored. I added suitable text and alt text.
The result is after 5 days, the image shows in google image search when you search for the specific phrase I used for the description and alt tags.
This tells me there is nothing wrong with the image or with the folder structure where it is stored on my server.
At the same time I added the above photo to my home page I added prominent links to the individual galleries on Next Gen. Non of the next Gen content is showing in google image search. Not even the Thumbnails :o(
I am new to wordpress, so it could be that google is slow to index anything word press or it could be specific to Nextgen gallery. For my next experiment, I will install word press on my UK website and install an alternative gallery and see what happens.
Thanks for advice. I am currently running some experiments. I added one of the images to my html home page as a hot link to the directory where my nextgen images are. After a just a few days it shows as a text search under the specific phrase I used as alt tags and visible image description, although its not yet in the image search results. I will leave it over Christmas, if its not listed it will indicate a problem crawling my image folder.
I will be doing tests and making changes over Christmas.
Thanks for all the help.
Hi, thanks, I read that. Most of it is about SEO optimisation but my problem is not coming top of google but getting into google at all.
The article advised the use of Yoast SEO which I have installed. This included a site map which may help, but the site map only lists the two static pages. My gallery consists of lots of sub galleries which were not identified by the site map.
One interesting tool and perhaps a clue, the yoast allows me to bring up googles cache of my website. Google has cached the text on the album pages but non of the images. Furthermore if you click on where an image should be in the google cache it comes up with the error “The requested content cannot be loaded”.
Non of the full sized images, with their descriptions are indexed.
I suspect something is blocking google from seeing or saving the images. Its not my robots.text which allows everything bar one directory, so have you any suggestions?
I seem to be making some progress on this and currently I have no errors on all the galleries I am intending to keep. To get to where I am I first set up an new top level album which I called Deutschland 2. I then started to move sub albums from the old Deutchland to Deutschland 2. All went well until I moved the sub album Sachsen-Anhalt which contained two galleries. When I put this in the new top level domain it cause the above error to appear on the top level domain. Strangley the error did not appear on any sub albums or individual galleries.
Clearly something in this sub album was contaminating things, so I deleted it and created a new album. I reuploaded the two town galleries that were in it and now everything seems to be working … for now !!!!
I will now clean up all my albums and gelleries and add more images. I will moitor it for a while and come back here if the problem reappears.
More technical info:-
Betriebssystem : Linux (64 Bit)
Server : Apache/2.4.16
Speicherverbrauch : 51.27 MByte
MySQL Version : 5.1.61-log
SQL Modus : Nicht gesetzt
PHP Version : 5.3.29
PHP Safe Mode : Aus
PHP Allow URL fopen : Aus
PHP Memory Limit : 64
PHP Max Upload Größe : 32M
PHP Max Post Größe : 32M
PCRE Backtracking Limit : 1000000
PHP Max Script Execute Time : 30s
PHP Exif Modul : Ja ( V1.4 )
PHP IPTC Modul : Ja
PHP XML Modul : Ja
Grafik-BibliothekGD Version : bundled (2.1.0 compatible)
FreeType Support : Ja
FreeType Linkage : with freetype
T1Lib Support : Ja
GIF Read Support : Ja
GIF Create Support : Ja
JPEG Support : Ja
PNG Support : Ja
WBMP Support : Ja
XPM Support : Nein
XBM Support : Ja
JIS-mapped Japanese Font Support : NeinTheme 2012
I have been uploading and moving various galleries and albums today. The problem is consistently there where an Album is contained within an album.
I have main album ( Country – Deutschland ) > Sub Album ( Land ) > Gallery ( Town /city )
If I move a town Gallery out of its land sub album and put it in the top level country album then it works just fine but if I go the other way and move a working gallery from the top level albu and put it in a sub album it starts showing the error.
Unfortunatly I need to have albums nested within albums. I have 80,000 photos on my website and if they were all in one album nobody would find anything !
I changed the sort order under Gallery > Other Options > Image Options and it made no difference. Everything is now under sort by file name. I have only found the one place to change sort order, can it be changed elsewhere , for example for individual albums or galleries?
I have been tinkering and adding some more galleries. First I duplicated the Jena gallery as Jena 2. The error is stil there:-
Next I added a gallery for the town of Erfurt. The error is also in the Erfurt gallery-
http://www.webbaviation.de/neu/galerie/nggallery/thueringen/erfurt
Next I added the town of Bremen, but this time the gallery comes straight in the main album Deutschland with no intermediate Land album. The result is no erros to be seen:-
http://www.webbaviation.de/neu/galerie/nggallery/deutschland/bremen
This measn there is something funny about the intermediate album Thüringen.
I thought maybe the umlaut Ü in Thüringen was a problem so I set up another album Theuringen and dragged the Jena 2 gallery into it. Unfortunatly the error is still there.
http://www.webbaviation.de/neu/galerie/nggallery/thueringen-1/jena-2
I also made a second fresh upload of Erfurt called erfurt 2 and still the error is there-
http://www.webbaviation.de/neu/galerie/nggallery/thueringen-1/erfurt-2
Hi, yes, something is set. I am new to word press and next gallery so it will take me a fewminutes to find what I have done, but with my old galleries I have always st a srot order. Often newest first. I will try tinkering and see if that makes any difference.
I made some chenges in organise albums today and it seems to have removed the error from the top level album “Deutschland”, however it is still present in the city gallery “Jena”.
Today I added a new static page with my gallery in it and I am still getting the same error.
Its on two pages, the main Top level album ( “Deutschland” ) and one of the cities ( Jena ) The Album in between (Thüringen ) is unafected which is very strange. Here are the two problem pages-
http://www.webbaviation.de/neu/galerie/nggallery/deutschland
http://www.webbaviation.de/neu/galerie/nggallery/thueringen/jena
Any help much appreciated.
I’m using WordPress 4.3.1 Theme Twenty Twelve.
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In reply to: nextgen gallery error displayed on albums : line 76Thanks, Yes, its the latest version. I will repost on the sub forum.