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In reply to: [Code Snippets] Adding snippet kills tab in ChromeFor me it behaves like some sort of memory leak (at the beginning all is fine, after 10+ saved changes it starts and then it happens more and more, till it happens every second save or even every save).
It only happens inside the editor view. If I active/deactivate in the overview table, all is fine.
I also think it happens only if the script is active or gets activated. So saving an unactive script is fine too.
to 1: You’re right and I will change GA to activated by default. My point here was just, to use the consent system for an easier Opt-Out if I make an Analytics group which does not uses PII. So I have 2 functional groups which both would be activated by default. The user can now easily deactivate/opt-out from Analytics (like GA) via the consent system instead to use the opt-out plugins or functionality of the Analytics services.
to 2: that was exactly what I was thinking, nice to know for sure
Thank you so much for your time.
Best,
ManuelI very appreciate, that you keep the discussion, I hope I do not start to get annoying 😉
I think there is a difference between blocking cookies and blocking/manage services which set cookies from their source code. I looked at a lot of GDPR plugins over the last months and many that had stated they can block cookies came with a lot of confused user requests, that the plugin in fact does not block cookies. Thus you see often a FAQ about “Does this plugin blocks all cookies?”…
So I just think it’s a false to interpret statement which lastly does more harm than good and should be clarified more deeply within the feature list or at least in the FAQ.I also think my “Script center” is broken as I only see one textarea-field. and nothing else. This might be the reason I do not understand what there should be happen or how I block YouTube with this? I guess I just wait for your tutorial update and make a bug ticket then if this seems still unclear.
But the more important question which comes up now, you state it is fully compliant to use youtube videos over the nocookie-url? It is really confusing, because some people say it is enough and some say it’s not because the api will still be called.
Same for Google Fonts with the two parties: self-host or just use the api and state it in the PP. But yeah, lastly I need to decide this by myself, I guess.And for the consent and the given paragraph: Thanks. I indeed read this before somewhere and lastly you need to find a way to make it at least most converting by staying compliant.
Now I see two use cases which may need a better solution:1. As you have to only comply as you use services which juggle with PPI, there is this case which I like and used with another plugin on one site I manage: I have e.g. three categories, the first is “Essential”, the second “Functional” and the third “Analytics”. Now, I use just GA with anonymized IP and lastly all these categories do not need to be strictly handled by the GDPR. But I would like to give the user the possibility to simply opt out with the consent system. So under Functional I have YouTube videos and under Analytics GA. Functional is preactivated and can be opted out and Analytics is prechecked but not preactivated and activates after accepting the bar/settings. If the user opts out of the functional, the Video module get’s replaced with a placeholder 😉
Now you can say, this is unnecessary complicate and I might consent with you (and even consider changing it myself), but yeah it is a valid use case I would say, to leverage the system to give the user some fine control about it’s given data (PPI or not).2. The more interesting case is, if you want to trigger your ad tags the most as possible. In this case, I think the only compliant way with the most conversion is act by the statement “you should have equal prominence of binary choices”. Yes, as beautiful the checkboxes are (and I like them a lot), I think it is not equal if you have checkboxes who rarely someone touches if not required, and a big button “save settings”. The vast majority will hit this button to dismiss the bar as fast as possible. If I untick the “Use categories” to get a two-button solution, this will convert much better for sure (to be very strickt with the equal prominence, here would maybe be necessary even to style the 2 buttons the same, but I like of course that the “all cookies” button is more prominent).
So lastly I think, there needs to be a multi button solution if I want to use categories. As this seems the only compliant way which has a good conversion.So as this was all theoretical, I’m just interested in your thought about it, I do not say, this needs to be implemented, it’s just what I think at the moment.
Best regards,
ManuelHey thanks for fast reply.
Yes, the shortcode for the link works fine, thanks. And I’m pleased to hear more documentation is on the way!
Ok, as nearly all other GDPR plugin state explicitly that they do not block cookies because it’s not technically possible, you have exactly this phrase “Blocks thirdparty cookies from all major third party services” on multiple sites as a feature. In my eyes this is just wrong and should be corrected, as you do activate/block services which are connected with your plugin and only indirectly deactivate the cookies with it.
to 7.: I mean if I build a post or page with a Builder or tinymce or Gutenberg, etc…
And use e.g. a Video block which embeds a YouTube iframe, or a Instagram Feed which gets embeded via iframe. Lastly it would be ok to do this even manually with code blocks or if the plugin gives the interface, via shortcode.
Beside iframes there could be other solutions which directly connects to 3rd party apis like a google maps element which uses directly the maps api to set not a bunch of cookies, but still makes an api call which should be consented beforehand.There are some gdpr solutions/plugins out there which can block these elements by wrapping them into a shortcode or even simpler by globally overlay and block all videos /maps/etc. with a consent message which needs to be accepted first, then the video or map or whatever gets loaded (as placeholder a default pic is shown or for e.g. youtube the picture is called by api once and is stored then locally as placeholder…)
As the consent is not for cookies only, but more for the acceptance to use such services like GA or YouTube, maps etc… this could be a feature of this plugin.
to 11.: I think you got me wrong here, I do not mean that marketing cookies are enabled by default and can be opted out, I mean more they’re deactivated by default and the checkbox is just ticked by default, so that when the user clicks save settings, they get activated or the user can untick the box and click save and they stay blocked. This is my interpretation of softest opt-in.
This is also the way most other consent plugins handle this or give at least the option, but it’s just the fact that nearly no user looks at these boxes and so the marketing stuff would nearly never trigger.
If this is still against the law what I stated here, can you please point me to the corresponding article/paragraph. That would be very kind.Forum: Plugins
In reply to: [Code Snippets] Adding snippet kills tab in ChromeI can second that! I tried it on multiple sites and multiple hosting environments. The freez happens very often and can only be stopped after the first timeout dialog with killing the tab, or by killing the tab process via task manager.
Just for notice: It was the SiteGround Memcached drop-in, placed by the “SG Optimizer” plugin in combination with SiteGround hosting. Deactivated the Memcached, dismissed the banner and after reactivating Memcached the banner is finally gone. But after this is the second time Memcached makes a problem, I leave it deactivated for now.
For 1) -> Perfect, so much better now 🙂
For 2) I do not use Multisite. I have 26 plugins active. I do not know if it helps when I post a list of them, but I send it to you via email.And thanks for fast reply.