• Resolved VinceS2

    (@vinces2)


    Due to a mistake by an obviously senior moderator, I got put on the review hold list. I went on to solve the problem with the developer off line which was a damn nuisance but we got it sorted and that fixed a serious issue for thousands of people. Yet, due to “over enthusiastic moderating”, I was booted off. The Mod was convinced I was taking over the topic with my own issue when any reading of it that clearly wasn’t true.

    I just continue to be myself and help people out occasionally and always comply with forum rules. Yet a couple of months later I come back and find myself still on the hold list to leave some 5* feedback. It is pretty sad that I was ever blocked in the first place and again that there is no auto release or review mechanism set up.

    At the time I had a whinge about my treatment and even started a topic about natural justice. Everything I wrote got deleted. Maybe this one will go the same way. But, just before you press that mod delete button, ask yourself if somebody that would spend a whole lot of their personal money and go to the effort of doing the thing described on the prototype page is really somebody that would actually behave badly? It was a mistake in the first place and needs to be reversed.

    Separately, there should be a transparent process to manage the block list as it is a fact that people learn. Even if the issue was legit in the first place, you want good members here and admonishment and rehabilitation is a much more likely thing than permanent ban on a poorly made judgement call, don’t you think? To me, so far, I have seen no adults in the room as I was continually getting lazy deletions to posts I made raising the legitimate issues I have been encountering here. I am hoping there is an adult that will actually reply and deal with the content. Thank you.

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  • Moderator James Huff

    (@macmanx)

    Ok, so here’s the thing. You were put on moderation watch for breaking forum guidelines, and instead of continuing on without breaking any further guidelines, you decided to argue about it. That argument showed a willful disrespect for the established guidelines of these forums and your account was placed on moderation watch.

    Moderation watch isn’t some sort of ban, it just means that one of the many volunteers on the moderation team has to review your content before it’s published. We’re always watching, and your content won’t be held for long. This particular one was held for only 30 minutes.

    Normally moderation watch is temporary, but to be honest, each of your requests over the past weeks to be removed from the watch has included some form of insult towards those volunteer moderators. Rightfully, they been read and discarded immediately. This one isn’t so bad, so I’ve allowed it without censoring what you’ve said to at least start the discussion since you want more transparency.

    So, to recap, your response towards the volunteer moderators for enforcing the forum guidelines has been to regularly insult them. That’s not making a very good case for why you should be removed from moderation watch.

    We don’t demand respect for us, but we do expect respect for the established guidelines of these forums and a certain level of decorum. Until then, your content will need to be manually approved by a moderator before it’s made public.

    • This reply was modified 8 years, 9 months ago by James Huff.
    Thread Starter VinceS2

    (@vinces2)

    OK James, thanks for that. Fair enough – you are highlighting that while my posts may have been civil, they definitely reflected that I was annoyed by what I saw as bad behaviour / childish responses by the original moderator and others following.

    All I was EVER asking was to deal with the content. Instead what I got looked more like fragile ego driven responses.

    Any reasonable assessment of anything I have written would show the views expressed at least had merit. Sure I am a strong minded individual and don’t take cr*p from anyone. But I deal with the fundamental issues without direct insult / name calling, and I only deal with the behaviours, which I am calling out as wrong – and the subsequent ones as pretty much maintaining the standard.

    I actually am here to help. Yep, ’tis true. This whole fragility of egos thing is an absolutely misplaced effort. Go and actually read the original topic about MaxGalleria issues and look at the actual facts and what you will see is a good person treated poorly. When you can see that, perhaps you will pick your fights with people that need one, not people that are righteously aggrieved.

    I wish we were all perfect human beings, but we aren’t. Fix this mistake up and move on. Thank you.

    Thread Starter VinceS2

    (@vinces2)

    PS: I want to make the absolute point that I have NEVER broken forum guidelines. It was originally suggested I MAY have by seemingly taking over someone else’s topic, but a closer reading will see that was not possible. The OP had actually taken themselves out via a workaround so they were never going to be able to solve the root problem. I had the exact same one and I solved the sucker, made much harder to do by what I saw as lazy indignant moderation.

    Read it with an open mind and see if you would draw the same conclusion. So I am protesting my absolute innocence from the get go here. Where’s the surprise that someone so treated would be a little miffed? Thank you.

    Thread Starter VinceS2

    (@vinces2)

    PPS: If I am just being totally analytical and detached about the whole thing I would say what really happened is the moderator that originally hit me has a few blocks of text to copy paste into mod posts and picked one that seemed to fit the pattern. After all I had put up one heck of a lot of material, including some code which I didn’t know there was a smarter way to do. I actually and genuinely needed to learn about how to post blocks of diagnostic info – a well worthwhile use of Moderator powers. That was done and useful.

    But this other “take-over” block of text went in, just because of the pattern not because the person actually read what happened. I of course knew exactly what was going on there and arced up about being told off for something I didn’t do. So I got pretty solidly insulted myself and was less than flattering in my response that this moderator was just being lazy and still hadn’t bothered to read the topic and understand there was no taking over going on. That got the ban slapped on.

    This extra explanation is not meant to be “argumentative”, just a factual summary of the way something that wasn’t broken got broke. Think about how it would be for you if this explanation was exactly your truth? How would you feel about the bad handling of any attempt you made to right the original wrong? Whilst I note we are all volunteers here and I am admin of a couple of forums myself, sh*t happens. Better to take a tolerant view and move on…

    • This reply was modified 8 years, 9 months ago by VinceS2.
    Moderator James Huff

    (@macmanx)

    That got the ban slapped on.

    Again, you haven’t been banned. In my exact words, “moderation watch isn’t some sort of ban, it just means that one of the many volunteers on the moderation team has to review your content before it’s published.” That’s from above: https://ww.wp.xz.cn/support/topic/how-request-moderation-action-revision/?view=all#post-9444550

    If you get a ban, you’ll know it, I promise. This isn’t a ban.

    Better to take a tolerant view and move on

    We do always take a tolerant view, and would love to move on too.

    To be clear, your account has remained on moderation because while you claim to “deal with the fundamental issues without direct insult / name calling” you continue to refer to moderators as such things as “childish” and “fragile ego driven” (all in the same entry in this case: https://ww.wp.xz.cn/support/topic/how-request-moderation-action-revision/?view=all#post-9444565 ) amongst other less-clean language from previous deleted attempts to exonerate yourself.

    We’d love to move forward too, we consider the work of evaluating your content to be tedious, but we are constantly reminded about why we have to.

    Again, moderation watch isn’t some sort of ban, it just means that one of the many volunteers on the moderation team has to review your content before it’s published.

    Thread Starter VinceS2

    (@vinces2)

    So that bit about the original action being wrong in the first place? And that everything I have done that is NOT arguing with moderators has been a role model participant with quality advice that people even thank me for? Give us all a break and let it go. Please.

    Mainraining the rage without just cause is such a bad look for a supposedly supportive community. Or is something else going on?

    Moderator Jan Dembowski

    (@jdembowski)

    Forum Moderator and Brute Squad

    I’m chiming in because I was the original moderator involved. Then I’m closing this topic.

    I wish we were all perfect human beings, but we aren’t. Fix this mistake up and move on. Thank you.

    The mistake was yours and many weeks later you still haven’t moved on.

    You were asked to comply with the forum guidelines. Instead of doing that, you continued. Many times. Another moderator replied and you still insisted that a) you were correct and b) also the attitude in your replies were, to put it mildly, inappropriate.

    It’s way past the time for dealing with your behavior and dragging this out isn’t productive. This isn’t an attempt to convince you, to bring you over, to suddenly agree with your wrong actions. Just attempting to wear people down weeks later doesn’t work.

    Trying to wear down the moderators by this constant repetition is done. You made a mistake and refuse to own it.

    It’s enough. If anyone has a problem with any of the moderators then please take it to Otto via otto [at] ww.wp.xz.cn with your complaint.

    Moderator Samuel Wood (Otto)

    (@otto42)

    ww.wp.xz.cn Admin

    I agree. Don’t complain on the forums. Don’t complain to the mods you’re having a problem with. Bring it to me directly. We’ll chat about it. Happy to chat. Email otto at this domain.

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