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  • Thread Starter Woongeluk

    (@b11n)

    Hi Austin, tx for the reply. Are we having problems? Not really. But wordpress is being bloated wit gutenberg, which really is still unfinished to say it nicely. It sits there and it should not. When we want a builder, we choose one. Thrive of bakery or elementor. Gutenberg besides any of those is bloat and should not be forced upon us.
    Same with the statistics. When you really are into stats there are way better options to get better data and users know it. Woocommerce now is trying to monopolise things which are not theirs AND forcing a host of bloat onto every user, which we really do not need and specifically do not want our admin to be filled with unnecessary items. It is quite absurd to have some other developers build a plugin, albeit so small, for us to get rid of it all. These statistics should be optional. For small shops they are of no use at all. And they should work if needed, which they did not. Read KRUG. don’t make me think.
    Woocommerce is built as a very basic thing where plugins galore at high prices render functionality, I am quite surprised this unwanted one to be free.

    Thread Starter Woongeluk

    (@b11n)

    Tx Lorro, We tried storefront, but have not been able to make an attractive shop with it. Its clunky, very developerdriven and therfor useless to us. We sell feeling, design in spaces. We’ll use the first two lines… 😉

    Thread Starter Woongeluk

    (@b11n)

    @demian85
    Ik blijf me verbazen over hoe developers, te beginnen die lui in het zwarte gat bij google, maar ook bij automattic, elke aansluiting met de gebruikers zijn gaan missen. Echt niemand neemt de moeite meer om het overzichtelijk / eenvoudig / klantvriendelijk te maken, want iedereen zit in zijn codebubbel met zijn koptelefoon op. Ik heb die ervaring bij een heel grote bank al opgedaan en 15 jaar later is het nog steeds zo.
    Wij shopowners willen dat het werkt. Punt. Simpel werkt. Met een interface die keuzes biedt in plaats van code. Daar heb je plugins voor, maar die zijn veel te vaak niet af maar blijven hangen in half werk. Of een single focus terwijl er meer keuzes zijn. Of erger: bedacht om zo veel mogelijk upsells te verkopen voor functionaliteit die je hebt weggelaten, zoals in woocommerce.
    We hebben het al druk genoeg met onze business om ook nog eens iets met code te gaan doen.
    En met wat ik boven schreef bedoel ik dus dat de devs waar we tot nu toe mee te maken hebben gehad in geen enkel geval naar de vraag luisterden maar toch weer zelf bedachten wat zij dachten dat wij vroegen. Customerfocus zero. Doorvragen, nee? Elke keer.
    Kortom: het kan echt veel beter en daar blijf ik op hameren. Maar of de developers in het algemeen leerbaar zijn in die zin, dat betwijfel ik inmiddels.

    Thread Starter Woongeluk

    (@b11n)

    What I expect it to do is being integrated in what IS in a shop, not adding an extra independent paymentsystem, because that will complicate the shop unnecessarily. We have Mollie, working, tackeled with IDEAL payments because thats the legally best option. Which is the only payment option needed. Why double things up where it is already there?
    Maybe it is we ask for a bit of humbleness from the plugin: use what is there and add useful functionality, using the checkout and cart and paymentprovider installed. Thats all. As your plugin was tried and discarded exactly because of this, there is nothing absurd at all. We think it overblown.

    Thread Starter Woongeluk

    (@b11n)

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    Thread Starter Woongeluk

    (@b11n)

    Well if that is what is happening WP will become more bitchy. Every themedeveloper goes his own way, without any guidelines except for ‘its working’. I see the demise of WordPress as an option for many clients who want clarity and structure which they can onderstand without so many different options and so many hours lost trying to find out what they did wrong.
    No I will not divulge into developing themes myself. Its no fun, never has been. Adding to the chaos never has been an option.
    ByeBye WordPress, you were kind once.

    Thread Starter Woongeluk

    (@b11n)

    The standard has a number of options no-one to my knowledge ever uses.
    But giving the opportunities to developers to think of anything they like, which leads to a plethora of different theme options and admins all over the place, makes WordPress hell to the user. It might be WP has not say in this, but by ofering the opportunity WP has become unruly, unclear, full of errors or need-to-know thingies which differ per theme. Shortcodes which completely ruin your page because you forgot one space somewhere, numerous different admins, (options they call them lovingly). Users blame WordPress. The reason for choosing WordPress has departed. The reasons to move away have popped up.

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