Yes that’s sounds like the problem. Hmm, ok. The real thing I need to be able to do is accept credit cards without a PayPal account. I noticed that because Lifter uses PayPal Express, you can’t give buyers the option to checkout with a credit card even if they don’t have a PayPal account. They need the PayPal account to check out. I was planning on doing the manual option and sending them a PayPal subscription link to sign up instead (since it’s not an express checkout they can enter their credit card info directly). So, I guess my new question is… do I need to also use Stripe to accept payments through credit card? I’d prefer to keep it all in one place in PayPal and didn’t want to have to buy another add on just to do this. Any input or ideas??