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  • Thread Starter Jason

    (@jestermgee)

    Yes I am using WooCommerce

    Thread Starter Jason

    (@jestermgee)

    I tested yesterday and was having the issues.

    I made about 10 attempts using 2 of my own cards and one went through but all others simply stated the transaction was declined.

    I have both PayPal and Stripe and have switched CC payments to Stripe which works without issue.

    I will need some actual time to sit and test further as it’s now working, I will leave it via Stripe at the moment, as long as I can still make orders that is all that matters.

    Thread Starter Jason

    (@jestermgee)

    Thanks for the reply.

    Yes the Membership option may work but at close to $300USD a year that is insane!!! I live in Australia so that is a lot more (about $500 per year) and completely unreasonable to do what I consider a very simple thing. I would likely not even make that from the product I need to hide to even make the cost worth the investment so that option is out the window.

    The big issue I find with WordPress developers is they do not consider small businesses like me with some of these things. Sure $300USD is acceptable for a large business or if that was a 1 time purchase or it was heavily needed but that is a yearly suckscription cost on top of the $1000+ I already have to pay for plugins to make WordPress actually useful. It is what has me questioning switching from Joomla after all these years but sadly support for Joomla has dropped as many see an easier way to make income from WP.

    I will look into some of the other options you suggest as a quick browse has some of those looking more reasonable in cost but man I wish just some of the core function of WordPress and Woo was actually useful or simple plugins had a 1 off purchase sometimes. Growing sick of everything being a money sucking subscription constantly even down to the 100 individual features needed to run a basic website.

    Thread Starter Jason

    (@jestermgee)

    It’s the global WordPress Cache found in the main settings of wordpress. I do not have any caching or extra features at all enabled in Jetpack, the only thing it offered me is visitor metrics really as I just do not need yet another yearly subscription cost to make a basic website.

    Thread Starter Jason

    (@jestermgee)

    So I seem to have solved this issue and it appears related to website cache being enabled.

    I had already purged the cache on my site and in my web browser during tests but I had enabled some caching in WordPress global options when checking settings as I had Cache set off. I now recall I set cache to off because I was having numerous issues with pages in the store failing to correctly update when visitors would visit and also security token issues.

    I had a user today message me about the security token issue and noted the cache setting set to Level 2 so I set it back to level 0 and I note the error is no longer appearing. Seems cache just causes all manner of problems so will just leave it disabled.

    Thread Starter Jason

    (@jestermgee)

    I went through and disabled each plugin 1 by 1 and nothing resolves the issue other than disabling Jetpack. Is there any way to simply comment out the attempt to load the form button for the tiny mce editor since it seems that is where the issue is occuring. I don’t need any integration of jetpack in the editor and cannot find any way to disable that function

    Thread Starter Jason

    (@jestermgee)

    Thanks for the reply.

    Sadly, a complete manual removal of Jetpack and a reinstall does not fix the issue. Only way I can solve the error is to just disable jetpack which is a pain to lose all the nice metrics on the admin home page but a functional site is more important and I just have no time to go testing every other aspect individually when the issue appears to be this plugin.

    Thread Starter Jason

    (@jestermgee)

    Thanks, was hoping some users who have had to resolve the same limitation could weigh in. I have already looked up a dozen different plugins and have some custom code to also try but since this is what I would almost consider a core function that many would want especially for a digital store, figured someone would have a solution of some kind they could recommend.

    A simple case would be for a digital product where you have Product A but then you also have Product B with several options that cannot work without first owning product A. While you can put a disclaimer, people may not read or translations may not correctly inform so it’s a case of “save a user from the4mselves” and simply not offer the option until they have first purchased. Ideally on the Product A page I would show a message saying if you purchase product A you will then have access to check out product B but via shortcode have this message switch once owned to display the link to the product page that is now unlocked. This is all an ideal case which a plugin is needed, just interested if anyone has used a solution they could recommend. Currently waiting on replies from a few plugin developers that have plugins that appear capable.

    Thread Starter Jason

    (@jestermgee)

    Yeah nothing from the host provider that they can identify (HostGator).

    I have a staging site but I find it is problematic due to several plugins (like Elementor) that fail to load due to the license not being active on the sub /staging site which I don’t understand. It does make things difficult to accurately test since I can’t replicate things correctly but it is setup and just updated to allow me to at least try.

    I have found an issue in the logs for a plugin I have which offers free downloads of zip files. My site is an ecommerce site that delivers hundreds of self developed libraries for music software and I have demo downloads freely available on each page with a free download option via a plugin Simple Download Manager. I noted in the logs for this plugin thousands of constant downloads from “AliyunSecBot Hong Kong” which afterr some googling I find this is a crawler bot designed to attack website resources. This has been hammering all these unprotected download links in constant waves and since all these downloads are delivered via PHP method in a “secured mode” as I understand the files are delivered using a CPU thread instead of a direct download of the file to the user so if too many are downloaded at a time this can cause the threads to max out for a period and this would make sense as to why I see the issue ramp up and down constantly in a day where for 30 minutes everything is fine then for 15 minutes the site hardly responds. The strange thing is these download attempts do not affect the download counters of these files which is why I never noticed this.

    I have enabled reCaptcha for these downloads (reluctantly as my website is used by a lot of visually impaired users so I am trying to keep things like captchas to a minimum) which seems to have now halted this activity and I now note overnight another WP update was auto installed to my site so clearing caches this morning I do not want to jinx anything but seems things are running as normal. I have a lot of work to do today so will see how it goes but seems it could have been a bot attack on non safeguarded downloads.

    Jason

    (@jestermgee)

    Yeah I hear ya. I find this is a common issue finding the right developers for plugins for WordPress. It is a nightmare and I have learned already, if an initial inquiry isn’t actioned within a reasonable time, likely support for issues will also not be available either. These guys did get back to me only yesterday, but failed to even answer the question or acknowledge the issue I had hit, only said I can download the demo to test if I want…. this I had, and was reporting issues I hit… so yeah, they completely unsold me on this.

    I have already had to get paypal refunds for at least 4 plugins due to lack of timely support, first thing I check is the terms and conditions/refund policy, take screenshots of all this first and file away and always purchase using my business paypal account so if I do not receive adequate support or answers, this is reason enough to request a refund and look at something else.

    My Amazon AWS plugin solution is working just fine but has the unpredictable cost element where I never know what it will cost for the month. I have also tested a few GDrive based solutions but all seem top suffer the same limitations where the file ie never streamed direct from the storage but rather to the web server then to the customer, which has the same issue of being at the mercy of the web servers timeout process (for shared hosting like I have).

    I had a good conversation with another company wpcloudplugins who were very responsive and also exp[lained when I was asking about GDrive integration that their API is limited and requires the file to stream to the web host to maintain security of the source so any solution using GDrive has this issue however they recommended using OneDrive that has basically the same yearly cost but generates unique and temporary download links per request allowing downloads direct from the storage server which is both faster and negates bandwidth issues with the web server. Downside is their plugin for commercial use is pretty costly tho is a lifetime license not a subscription.

    • This reply was modified 1 year, 4 months ago by Jason.
    Thread Starter Jason

    (@jestermgee)

    Due to the lack of ANY reply from this company I decided to use a far better plugin called WP File Download which does everything this one does but also allows for AWS, OneDrive and Dropbox all in the same plugin. More importantly, they have an active forum with people that actually answer which is important when running a business.

    Jason

    (@jestermgee)

    Yeah, same experience here and seems this company doesn’t really care.

    I use Amazon AWS plugin for Woo which works great AND their support is helpful and active. The cost of AWS is slightly higher than using Google Drive (I use it purely for large file downloads) however the lack of response from these developers even to new user inquiries looking to purchase is unacceptable. 3 emails in 3 weeks and not a single reply and I can’t even get their plugin to work in a test environment. All I can say is buyer beware if you value your own customers.

    Thread Starter Jason

    (@jestermgee)

    I understand the differences between Joomla and WordPress, I used Joomla for 20 years

    I also ran (again as mentioned) the same setup using Joomla, hosting all files from my sites server for 10 years with the only issue being some users had slow downloads if located a distance away but it was simple, very cost effective and reliable. Sadly the ONLY reason I have switched to WP is due to the components my store was based around (template, K2 component and QuickSell) all being made obsolete and not working in Joomla 4 or 5 requiring me to start from scratch.

    So while I appreciate the reply, it does not address the question I am asking and that is this 300 second limitation, is this something in WordPress, Woo Commerce or a server issue. I have asked my server host who have confirmed they do no such limitations so I am now looking at WordPress or Woo Commerce as the culprit.

    I already use Amazon S3 storage for the large files, however this is additional unpredictable cost which is exceeding my predicted budget already and will only increase after my initial 12 month trial which given I already have a GDrive and 1TB of web server storage, monthly costs on S3 storage seems like just a waste of money. The issue is I seem to have far too much generated traffic for the number of visitors I seem to have which does not make sense at all and is costing me money daily.

    Forget it, seems the answers I am looking for no one seems to have here, I will do as I always do and just solve my own problems.

    • This reply was modified 1 year, 4 months ago by Jason.
    Jason

    (@jestermgee)

    Same issue here, no fix, no reply to the last 3 emails I have sent. Not a solution I will be investing in.

    Thread Starter Jason

    (@jestermgee)

    Sorry, does not really help. Of course I can “consult a professional”, change hosting provider etc but this will not save time/money, this will cost a considerable amount of both time and money.

    As mentioned, for 10 year I ran a Joomla site on the same server for the exact same application and never had issues. While I really wish I had stuck to using Joomla I had to update and decided to try WordPress and WooCommerce which has been costing me 20x what it did with joomla to get the same function because while WP and Woo may be “open source” they are basically the shell of a car and everything that is needed to drive is a separate plugin and addon.

    Anyway, my hope was I could find out how the download process is handled as it appears from my investigation the process uses a CPU thread to generate a download stream and this is being cut off at the 300 second mark. I simply want to know if this is the case and if the actual issue is related to how Woo is working or how the web server is working because ALL other tests I perform from other download management plugins work fine, just a product downloaded in Woo has 300 seconds to complete or it just ends the download and the file is useless.

    I have implemented Amazon AWS and this works just fine, however again is another rather unpredictable cost I now have to invest in and this in turn is forcing me to have to increase my prices even further.

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