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  • Thread Starter Mosin Mark

    (@mosin-mark)

    Update it appears to be a conflict with the classic admin plugin. BUT the interface still takes up to much room. I just want the simple old layout back (please)

    And let’s not forget, the UI changes were mostly due to changes in WordPress 3.8 – their new UI obviously affects all plugins including WooCommerce.

    Again I respectfully disagree with some of the above. I had the old version of Woo running fine under 3.8.1 with a plugin called Classic Admin. The changes graphically were Woo’s NOT WP’s.

    If you want to get into discussion about UI changes you should get involved in the betas. If you wait until after the update you are too late.

    Woo was behind the curve on this, I sent an email with the questions to Woo the same night I saw that there were going to be issues with WP and the last version of Woo about this this update. No one ever mentioned at that time to me that there was another version in the works and I could download a beta of it. In fact the response from Woo was “we are looking into these issues” I would have gladly been a part of a UI beta team.

    I on the other hand am trying to zero in on the end-user experience of the big technical update as a process, where the less technically inclined could use a direct helping hand.

    I don’t think you can totally separate the 2, the glitches are an effect of the update and the UI is an effect as well, both effect the end user negatively. There is nothing worse than having something you know how to use and get around on easily suddenly and for no apparent reason other than beauty change into something that no longer functions as you need it too.

    I think that in all honesty this version was rushed to market to try and address the WP issues that were rapidly showing up. In fact I have to give props to Ignite Woo They warned us not to update for at least a week because of serious issues that could arise. I wish they would have stated more clearly why in that email. I’m also afraid that even if I was a beta tester my voice and concerns would be for not.

    Thanks
    Mark

    But I again I respectfully disagree, The end user community is who actually has to live with these changes. Even Microsoft has learned that Windows 8 has a small portion of the market place. Their own telemetry shows that 85% or more of the end users are still using Mouse and Keyboard. To force an e commerce end user into a new interface that is geared toward a touch screen is inconsiderate at least and down right foolish at worst. I don’t understand why the developers couldn’t simply give US the ability of choosing which design we wanted to use. Not having a choice is simply asking for blow back. The fact is the way these updates are presented it’s almost like it’s a mandatory update. So many end users simply hit the update button thinking it’s a security patch. There should be a warning page before you take that next step.

    I don’t see why when your developing a new version there couldn’t be an option to have the old the style interface or the new one. Come on how hard could it be. Your building it from the ground up. Make it have the ability to use a Admin template option.

    I for one have noticed (for example) the old best sellers graph presented your top 10 selling items in one graph in order of sales. It was perfect for a quick glance at site and product performance, it showed the amount sold for each item at a glance and how much you made. Now I have to go to a vertical stack menu that I cannot compare all items at once, instead I have to open each individual item and click on it separately to see it’s sales. That’s not progress that is a huge step backwards. Why? So the interface can look cool? I used to have a total site sales since launch. Where did that go, did you bother to ask the end users what they wanted for info?

    Here is another example, the new graph colors are terrible. Light colors against a light background? Really? The circle graph is another useless tool if your site does not save user data. It simply shows up as a one color circle that uses far to much space for the info it gives.

    This is the problem when style trumps function. It’s an admin panel not for front end, it needs to be clean and easy to get around on. I really like the old Woo interface it gave me so much more info than this one does. I also don’t understand why you would delete end user information functions, that makes absolutely no sense.

    Thanks
    Mark

    Varkteck I would respectfully disagree with you on the design, data I used to have is now missing and it takes more effort and clicks to find the data you need. Upgrades are supposed to make your work easier not more difficult.

    I think your idea about the prompt screen is an excellent one. Perhaps have it go to a page that actually shows the layout or have the ability to try it. I would also would say that with such an update it should not be pushed out as a critical update.

    Mark

    I think part of the problem is most of the people here that are trying to help are also one the development team and just too close to the new interface to listen to what the problems are.

    Suppose that the “classic admin” plugin wasn’t available what would be there answer? It would be the same as it was before the plugin was made. Too Bad, this is what we’ve created your going to have to deal with it. Now the fall back position is “use the classic admin plugin” One can clearly see that they don’t want to change it, they want us to go away.

    I’ve read through a ton of the developer threads an not one of them mentions in any of them that we may need to give users the option to go back.

    If I wanted a 4 color interface I’d dig out my Apple IIe from of the closet. It uses the same blue, orange, white and black color scheme. I’d bet many of the development team are young people and mobile users, they simply made an interface for themselves. But it’s not a user friendly interface at all. It kills Woo Commerce one of the largest e commerce plugins for WP, sales graphs and data are made totally unreadable because of the idiotic column forcing.

    locking the admin to 4 colors also changes plugins data displays. Some data is totally missing because they colors they would normally use are not available. Roll overs don’t display properly either. I could go on.

    The real solution would be a simple one. in 3.9 create the ability to choose your admin style. Not a plugin but an actual classic admin panel that has the proper functionality.

    I think the reason some of the moderators are taking our criticism so personally is they helped create this beast. They say we should get involved but if everyone on the build team are simply a bunch of [Derogatory comments moderated], and nothing will get change because I or whoever would be simply out voted. That’s why the complaints are here. If we as the end user don’t feel we are being heard or that we are important then the anger and frustration starts showing up in the posts.

    The reason I know they have no concern with what we are asking for is look in the UI and Support Threads there is NO mention of any issue here. That is why we feel we are being blown off.

    MM

    Thread Starter Mosin Mark

    (@mosin-mark)

    You can turn them off: http://codex.ww.wp.xz.cn/Configuring_Automatic_Background_Updates#Disabling_Automatic_Updates – If you need support with that create a thread in the “How-To” forum, although I wouldn’t dismiss security updates so easily

    Who dismisses them, My sites have alarms that alert me to any update to a plugin or WP. I take security VERY seriously. I do remember several updates that were pushed out that lasted about a week and there was another one right behind it. I typically wait a week or so now because of this before I update.

    I typically harden all my all sites, I’ve attended seminars on how to harden your site using certain techniques and softwares. The problem is I as a user don’t have an option, IF I update to get the fixes you change the way I work and most importantly my clients (who for the most part are not uber tech savvy)do their work. So your sticking some of us between a rock and a hard place. Security or HOURS trying to explain why things have changed and where things are.

    Now that there is a plugin that somewhat returns the admin panel to normal. (the very first 2 versions crashed a couple clients sites) I can somewhat return them to a normal work routine and thus get back to a normal schedule for them.

    Andrew, please don’t get me wrong on this, I totally appreciate all the hard work it takes to create Word Press.

    Thread Starter Mosin Mark

    (@mosin-mark)

    Andrew Nevins wrote:

    You know 3.8 was pushed out for a while in beta so that people could test it?

    In all reality it would have made no difference. First off how many of us have time to play with a beta site? Even if one or 2 beta testers said something the reality is once you’ve headed a direction your not going to change it.
    Thanks
    MM

    Thread Starter Mosin Mark

    (@mosin-mark)

    Funny this came in an email directly from Woo when I was looking for support for the color issue
    “No Customization Policy

    We provide our Products as is. We do not customise our Products or support any 3rd Party customisations of our Products. A customisation is anything that changes the way our Products look or function relative to how we make our Products available to you.
    Mike K

    Mike K (WooThemes)

    Dec 15 19:08 (UTC)

    So by this statement if I changed anything in the way it “looks” I loose product support.

    Thanks
    Mark

    Wordfence! Get it, I bet you 3.8 has just as many security issues.. they just haven’t found them yet. You should be hardening your site. There are some great sites that explain in detail how to harden your WP install.

    Mark

    Thread Starter Mosin Mark

    (@mosin-mark)

    I think the thing I find the most appalling is the like it or leave it attitude. I read a post somewhere here where a person used the term dinosaurs about those who don’t move to the FLAT look. Not everyone is buying into the Wondows 8, X Box One (which I won’t ever purchase) BS or the whole smartphone to do everything mantra.

    I find Windows 8’s interface annoying, The colors look like something out of a Kindergarten class. Large blocky icons that take up way to much real estate. And all that stupid animated icons is just to distracting when your spending hours in front of a screen modding a forum or coding PHPBB3 those bright colors are just miserable to work with.

    Please listen to the users, yes if some like it give them the option to keep it but for those who don’t give us the freedom to choose not to be forced into a technology that does not fit how we work. After all the end goal for any developer is to make software that allows people to be productive. Not dazzled by the latest gizmo.

    I think the worst part was this update was pushed out via the admin panel and it looked like a security update. Instead it should have had a warning stating that this is a major update and will change to how you use WP if you choose to update. If I would have known before hand I would have stayed with 3.7. Most likely by 3.9 there will be a way to get the old admin look back, I certainly hope so.

    All those folks who worked on the update thanks for trying to make things better, maybe next time you should include those in your beta team that don’t like the flat look, and at least give users a choice. After all it’s not about you, it’s about allowing people to continue to run their blogs and work as THEY know best.

    Thanks
    Mark

    Thread Starter Mosin Mark

    (@mosin-mark)

    Aren’t those colors modifiable via CSS

    No they are not.

    Thread Starter Mosin Mark

    (@mosin-mark)

    Because the new color schemes do not work with Woo Commerce correctly, I clients who cannot see their sales data because of the color schemes 5 out of the 6 won’t work at all and black sort of works but the colors are much to contrasty. And frankly I don’t see much in the way of improvement. I see it now takes me 2 screens to get to where I used to go with one click.

    I miss the separators, everything just runs together now. Those line between things really helped me know where I was. I’m using Woo Commerce and the only color scheme that works right is the dark.. I really would like the option for the old color scheme until either Woo fixes their color schemes or you allow me the freedom to choose what I would like the admin area to look like

    Thanks for the hard work, you just missed it on this one

    Mark

    I have the same problem, I had built a test site for a client and she could not type the password correctly while I was trying to demo the site to her from my office. now I’m locked out..

    Any help would be greatly appreciated
    Thanks
    Mark

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